The latest polls tell a very interesting story. Over half of the population is against the senate health care bill. Less than 30 percent approve of it meaning that a quarter of the country doesn't care or hasn't made up their minds yet. So, provided that our elected officials actually speak for us, this bill is dead. That places an overwhelming majority opposed, and few for it. Since the bill is actually close to passing one can rightfully ask the question: Why are the Senators not voting in accordance with the voice of the people?
That's right, lobbyists. The alleged fight to end corruption by Barack Obama has brought major kick backs in the form of a stimulus bill to the lobbyists or rather the companies they represent, and now the health care bills which will serve a one two punch to the American people is being led and decided behind the closed doors of the white house. This is not a matter of national security so make these meetings public Mr. Obama. If there is nothing to hide, then don't hide it. So far his presidency is as transparent as a festering pile of animal feces. About as pleasant too.
If you were elected by the people, would you make phone calls to random members of your district and use that to decide how you would vote? I'm not sure you would. How is Obama doing anything wrong? The problem, as I see it, is that too many politicians let the lobbyist control the bills. Is Obama doing that by inviting some to meet with him? Are you saying you would not listen to a single lobbyist? Even those you support? I'm not sure you would.
ReplyDeleteI personally expect my representative to check his e-mails and letters and see what his constituents have to say. If we elected someone without the mental capacity to do that I do expect him to look at that poll and say "well, if I want to be elected next term, maybe I ought to vote against the bill, or make sure I live in the poor south where my constituents are predominately black and it would be racist to vote against the bill."
ReplyDeleteAs for your Obama comment, I cannot even begin to articulate my disdain for your justifications of broken promises.
Happy Thanksgiving
ReplyDeleteHow is questioning a hypothetical action within a hypothetical situation provide any foundation for a proper argument?
ReplyDeleteFor the record, I highly doubt that a senator is having to call random people in their district to figure out how people are feeling about the health care issue. People are talking to their senators. I believe that is part of our role in the representative government; make our voice known to them and then they represent that voice on the national level.
How is Obama doing anything wrong? Seeing as that can of worms is a little too big to answer here, I will answer simply this way: Obama is lying. The mounting pile of hypocrisy as demonstrated in his short term as president demonstrates that he is no different than anyone else who has been in the Oval office for the past 16 years. he said no lobby's, now there are lobby's. He said transparency. What is more transparent than before? Nothing.
For the record, lobbyists don't represent the voice of the people. Do some research on what a lobbyist does and then we can talk.
You ask what Obama is doing by meeting with these lobbyists, I don't know? That's my point. Make it an open meeting. If he is doing what is best for the people then lets see the meetings. Lets hear what is discussed. We the people are the president's boss and we have every right to look over his shoulder to make sure that our interest, not the lobbyists interest are being heard.
Why are you trying to defend a liar and a hypocrite Mr Geoff?
Mr. Geoff
ReplyDeleteRe: Are you saying you would not listen to a single lobbyist? Even those you support? I'm not sure you would.
Not only I am sure that I wouldn't talk to a single lobby, but I am sure that is the reason I wouldn't get elected. Your comment of "Even those you support" goes to show that you know NOTHING about how lobby's work. An elected official is not supposed to support lobby's, they are to support the people they serve. Period.
Go to this post by our friends at the How To Rob A Nation Blog and then you can see why a politicians should NEVER talk to a lobby. The only reason they talk to lobbyists is to make money. Not for votes, or for good government policy. It is for the exchange of money using our tax money as the system.
What Obama is doing right now, and why he is pushing so hard for this right now is because (and look closely at the health care plan to see this) he is wanting to sign into law now something that will feed his campaign for re-election but that won't take place and harm this nation till after the 2012 election. If this was something that was good now he would have past it as fast as he past the stimulus package. These things are timed carefully and constructed in such a way to accomplish the election process and not good policy. Obama is lining his pockets for the 2012 election season through the power of these lobby's. Why else would he need to meet with the lobby's? The senate has already constructed the bill, what do they need to meet about?
Think about it Mr. Geoff and consider where your loyalties lie. Obama knows where his loyalties are and I can guarantee it has nothing to do with the American people.
So you are saying that nothing would get done with you as a politician. At least with Obama we are moving forward.
ReplyDeleteWhy would you assume that nothing would get done? How does talking to a lobby become the only way things are done?
ReplyDeleteNot only that, doing nothing in better than doing something wrong. Consider a government that does very little. That sounds like a dream to me. Seeing as the most government operations drain our tax dollars and feed corrupt programs, I would rather not have government do something than do something that screws things up.
However, I still think your assumption is wrong since you assume that the only way that things can get done is through the lobby's.
Mr. Geoff, I do have to give it to you. We are absolutely moving in "a" direction. I'm just disappointed that the direction we're moving is towards greater fiscal irresponsibility and ultimate ruin. Whenever people said they were for change, I told them so am I, just I didn't and still don't want any old change, I want change for the better. The change Obama has brought is change towards greater corruption and the United States government becoming communistic.
ReplyDeleteGreatWhiteHope, I can put your worries to rest. There is more confidence in the economy for me right now then before Obama was elected as president. The communist agenda is very old-the Berlin Wall went down over twenty years ago-so you shouldn't worry about that either.
ReplyDeleteThere, you can have more time to play with your family since I just freed you from your problems. Good for you.
The Berlin wall came down? Do you think that means that Communism is over? What about China or Cuba?
ReplyDeleteThanks for towing the Obama line. "I'm not as bad as George Bush, remember that." Now that Obama's numbers are declining what is he doing again? The ol' I'm not as bad a Bush line.
I have more faith in the marketplace than I do in Obama. Why? Lets use the auto companies as an example:
GM and Chrysler were partially bought up and 'saved" by the US Government. To what end? They are still sucking and now they are taking tax payer money with them.
Ford on the other hand didn't take any stimulus money and posted a profit. A profit that they would have experienced without the cash for clunkers failure.
So if Obama is so good for the economy, then why is Ford doing better for not being involved in his crap and GM is sinking in following his administrations rule?
Obama is screwing this economy by inflating the dollar like crazy. Gas is not going to be traded in dollars because the world thinks the dollar is terrible currency since Obama took over. Give me one, just one good thing that Obama has done for the economy that is a good and lasting thing. One with support, not supposition.
Sure, Black Friday is going strong. Translation: people are confident in the economy to go out and buy things. I just bought a dry/wet vac. I'm proud to say it really sucks.
ReplyDeleteThe day isn't even over yet and you are willing to say it is a success - let alone tribute it to Obama? Big secret, the day was a big shopping day before Obama came along.
ReplyDeleteBUT:
From what I understand, you are saying that Obama is a good president because you bought a wet/dry vac on a busy shopping day?
Black Friday is Black Friday because it is the Christmas shopping time - the celebration of Christs birth. Oh wait you think Obama is Christ, so I guess that makes sense that you give him credit for the economy of Black Friday.
Now I see....
Black Friday is when many businesses go into the "black" (profit) for the remainder of the year. Yes, this was around before Obama but the consumer confidence was not as high last year.
ReplyDeleteChrist is the Son of God. Obama is just the current president of the United States. One is the savior of mankind, the other was brought to this earth to bring millions of innocent people out of financial ruin.
For starters, I hope you are not implying that Obama is here on some kind of mission from God to do what he is doing in the White House?
ReplyDeleteAnd furthermore, if Obama was to save us from financial peril, why is it that the companies that he has "bailed out" are stick in financial peril? Remember the Ford, GM, Chrysler thing mentioned earlier? Who saved Ford.... no one. Ford saved Ford. Where is GM with Obama's saving grace? Yeah, in the red... still.
So if this is Obama's "mission" then he is failing.
God works in mysterious ways.
ReplyDeleteYeah so does Satan. Actually Satan is less mysterious and more subversive which happens to be a common theme among the Obama administration... He ran on changing politics in Washington yet he has invited more corruption and less oversight of government personnel and more surveillence of the average citizen. Where is the check and balance to all his Czar postings? And why are many of his czars members of the Communist party of America. Mr Geoff, are you LDS? If so, will you answer me this one question - How can you in good conscience as an active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints support a president who supports partial birth abortions and infanticide?
ReplyDeleteI am not a one-issue voter. Abortion is ugly but it is not the only thing on my mind when voting. It sounds like you are saying a good Mormon cannot be a democrat. That mentality is whacked!
ReplyDeleteThe issue on hand here is not Obama. It more about you. You talk a storm about corruption but it is more about you not liking who won the election.
BTW, no president supports infantcide. It's whacked that you would make the statement.
Mr. Geoff, since you are a liberal and therefore uninnterested in researching the TRUTH, I dug it out for you and post it on here in unadulterated form. - Obama, Senate floor, 2001: [Number one, whenever we define a previable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we’re really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a – a child, a nine-month-old – child that was delivered to term. That determination then, essentially, if it was accepted by a court, would forbid abortions to take place. I mean, it – it would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an antiabortion statute.]
ReplyDeleteGo to Factcheck.org. He in fact did and does support infanticide and partial birth abortions. Let's not beat around the bush here - So yes, I am saying that if you support him for president I do not understand how you in good conscience can attend the temple knowing full well that you contributed to the election of a president who supports legislation which destroys life and has no qualms about it.
No president supports infantcide. Your agrgument is very one-sided.
ReplyDeleteMr. Geoff,
ReplyDeleteIts real simple, Obama said he was going to end the power of Washington lobbyists where over and he was brining change to Washington. He said he wouldn't have any lobbyists in his in his administration. On both of these points he did the opposite of what he said, the for he is a liar on this account. To me this doesn't sound like much of a change from what we typically get from Washington. Why defend him when he is caught lying?