Tuesday, December 15, 2009
Socialism doesn't work 'cuz Glenn Beck says so. Seriously.
Glenn Beck has self proclaimed that he is an entertainer. That said, at least his form of entertainment provides some kind of value to society because it causes people to think. Contrast this with the media outlets (notoriously liberal) who have done everything to convince Tiger Woods that the only relief he might find is through suicide concerning his personal tragedy.
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He "self proclaimed"? As opposed to proclaiming it in the third person?
ReplyDeleteI have to ask, why GreatWhiteHope? Why would anyone want to be associated with that?
ReplyDeleteI'm more of a Rush Limbaugh man myself, but I like Glenn Beck because he is genuine and sincere.
ReplyDeleteAnd yes he proclaimed himself to be an entertainer, as in he stated himself that he was an entertainer and not someone else accusing him to be so. I don't really get what you're getting at with that comment....
My point was that you can't "self proclaim" anything. The correct usage would be: Glenn beck is a self proclaimed entertainer.
ReplyDeleteI was asking why you would choose the name GreatWhiteHope, since as I understand it, it's a reference to popular racism.
Racist? Popular Racism? You's crazy homeslice. How do you know I'm not black? I did vote for Alan Keyes I'll have you know, and I voted for him not because of the color of his skin but for the content of his character as far as I can deduce that to be without knowing him personally. I think proclaim is a verb, so Glenn Beck self proclaimed himself to be himself - and I will proclaim it to be ok.
ReplyDeleteOh yeah, and I didn't choose the name Great White Hope, a friend proclaimed this moniker upon me.
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ReplyDeleteGreat White Hope is a reference to boxing in the early 19th century. A man named Jack Johnson had become the first black world heavyweight champion and many people (racists) proclaimed the need for a "Great White Hope" to take back the title for white men everywhere.
ReplyDelete"How do you know I'm not black?"
You're name's GreatWhiteHope.
I only asked because I assumed that you were not a racist or at least not a vocal one, which made your profoundly racist name strange.
"I think proclaim is a verb, so Glenn Beck self proclaimed himself to be himself"
ReplyDelete'Proclaimed' isn't the problem, 'self' is the problem. 'Self' is not a verb or an adverb.
Wish I coulda got learned at a more liberal institution of hire learnin' like yerself ser.
ReplyDeleteSo do I.
ReplyDeleteHahahahahhah. Liberal Institution of Higher Learning. Hahahahah.
ReplyDelete"Contrast this with the media outlets (notoriously liberal). . ."
Response to the idea that "media outlets" are "notoriously liberal" + some other goodies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sftB399jHXU
You gotta be freaking kidding me? So are you backing up my point with the Keith Loserman clip? He's more outrageous than any of the conservative outlets.
ReplyDeleteI love listening to kids who don’t even have full time employment and are still in collage tell everyone how the world works. Churchill’s apocryphal quote “If you’re not a liberal by the time you’re 20 you don’t have a heart. If you aren’t a conservative by the time you’re 30 you don’t have a brain.” It defiantly applies here.
ReplyDeleteYou can bicker about semantics all you want but you don’t take issue with the message of what Beck said. In addition I like the fact that Reed W. never got back to us yesterday on GDP and how his sources where shown to be incorrect. So it should come as no surprise to you GWH that his defense of media bias comes from youtube.
God damn pundits. Glenn, Kieth, Hannity, they're a plague.
ReplyDeleteWell, I guess I'm heartless, I never was a liberal. I do like however how all these commies come from Orem, Ut. I knew there was a reason why I would never live there.
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ReplyDeleteI'm not sure I would go as far as asking God to damn anyone but if you feel your so right that you would ask God to do that good luck. I think it might push a few limits in you two's relationship though.....maybe not though...maybe you two are tight like that.
ReplyDeleteMaybe these spoiled liberal youngsters should read the post on the lower quality of youth in the church. It would appear that their entitlements recieved growing up have warped their minds to an expectation of societal entitlements as they transition from parental to self reliance. Furthermore, I like the arrogance (note sarcasm) of college freshman in how they figure since they've sat through a class or two they now know everything about everything. Little do they know it's merely indoctrination.....
ReplyDelete"It would appear that their entitlements recieved growing up have warped their minds to an expectation of societal entitlements as they transition from parental to self reliance."
ReplyDeleteIt's been two years since I had an English course, you need to enroll in one today.
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ReplyDeleteSo now on top of working hand and hand with God in condemning people to Hell your an English specialist.....Here's an idea Reed, and feel free to tell everyone this was your own idea. I wont hold it against you. Start a blog that focuses specifically on grammar, and language as well as the punishments the government can affix to those who offend.
ReplyDeleteAs for this blog keep in mind this a place where ideas flow freely without much regard to proper this or that. Its a blog not a text book. If you have nothing substantial to contribute to the conversation other then playing gotcha games with grammar and syntax just save it.
He says something is wrong and then offers no correction. If you're so enlightened would you please share your high and mighty education with us lower peons who are not nearly as bright nor as smug, arrogant, or pompous as yourself? Your parents need a redo, "somebodies kid" is a gross understatement in your case. You are an over spoiled arrogant joke. Furthermore your picture does lend to the idea that you may be light in the loafers and slightly limp wristed.
ReplyDeleteI don't know if I'd go that far GWH but OK.
ReplyDeleteDid you see his picture? What man wears an apron with Kiss printed at the top?
ReplyDeleteFor that matter, what man wears an apron, unless he's a blacksmith, butcher, welder, or some other kind of "Man" profession? And certainly it wouldn't have Kiss printed at the top....
ReplyDeleteI can see a man wearing this:
ReplyDeletehttp://campussqueeze.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/kiss_apron.jpg
Bahahah.
That would actully go well with my trailer house camaro.
ReplyDeleteGreatWhiteHope:
ReplyDeleteI don't keep photos of myself so when I was setting up my profile I was just going to use a picture of Bob Dobbs or Emperor Norton, but then I remembered that a year ago I had been in a movie my roommate made for his film class and that the video was on youtube. So I downloaded it, took a single frame, and used that instead.
Again with the homophobia? Try it on someone who cares.
I know next to nothing about grammar, but whenever you post, I can't help but be embarrassed for you. Even when you're not obfuscating your point with poor language, you're writing in such a way that reveals a lack of thought on your part.
Example: "You are an over spoiled arrogant joke."
Grammatically incorrect? No.
Thoughtless? Yes.
"Listen to the fools reproach! it is a kingly title!" - William Blake
If I'm being arrogant, it's largely because you keep feeding my ego.
M. Galt:
I would start a such a blog, but I don't consider myself qualified, anyone who would read such a blog would probably be better qualified that me.
The first thing I ever read on this blog was: "Glenn Beck has self proclaimed that he is an entertainer."
How likely am I to take anything I see here seriously, when the first thing I see is a failure to use the simple phrase 'self-proclaimed'?
I'm not getting on anyone's case about dangling participles, or any other technical errors. I just think that before posting something on the main page the author should take a moment or two to make sure that his language isn't undercutting his message or making him look like a fool before he even has a chance to express himself.
Hey did you play the part of the dude that made a big deal about Books of Mormon and not Book of Mormons? You seem like that kind of person. And why do you keep bringing up the homo thing? Does it embarrass you? I mean, you act like you don't care, but then you keep bringing it up...And yes, unless you are willfully choosing to portray yourself as an arrogant muttonhead then enough with your obfuscation of our intelligence on this blog.
ReplyDeleteAs it turns out Reed the blog is for discussing ideas in a free flowing way. If you have issue then make it about the ideas or philosophy not peoples spelling and such. As it turns out with your last reply there are a couple typos that I could bring out but I wont because that would be a douche move when I get the meaning of what your saying. So if you please let's focus on the ideas and not the grammar.....mostly I say this because people could give it to me on this subject way to often.
ReplyDeleteLastly on this point you may not feel qualified to render such judgment but you clearly don't shy away from it hence demonstrating the feeling of entitlement in being the grammar police. So while you may say one thing your actions demonstrate something different.
No one is asking you to have perfect grammar. No one is asking for spelling perfection either.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I shouldn't have to read, re-read, and attempt to translate and decide what you probably meant to say. I should be able to at least follow some coherent line of thought, without serious, conscious effort.
"As it turns out Reed the blog is for discussing ideas in a free flowing way."
If I said everything that came into my mind "in a free flowing way" then it wouldn't make a bit of sense. Humans don't think it properly arranged, sensible sentences. It requires a certain amount of translation to convey our thoughts to others, and that translation is turning thoughts into a line of characters. That line of characters should make sense, or else whatever meaning you were attempting to convey becomes impossible to derive.
It's not an English class, but it is the English language, and you should use it properly, or at least as properly as you can.
If you are unable to use the language properly, then you've little intelligence, and if you've little intelligence, then you have nothing to offer a discussion on politics and economic systems.
Nothing is wrong with a few typos -- that's normal human error. It becomes a problem when the grammatical errors begin to obscure the ideas behind your text though.
I can't speak for Reed, but I'd like to throw in my two cents on the homosexual thing. I'll make it short:
It's a lot like the language thing. Someone who resorts to accusations of homosexuality clearly thinks on the level of child (yes, even younger than me). You don't see candidates for public office calling each other faggots in debates. You see that in middle school. Maybe even in high school. You might even see a few immature college freshman like myself doing that.
But you wouldn't want to reduce your intelligence to someone of my age would you?
I mean, you seem to believe being a freshman in college makes me an idiot. Why put yourself on my pathetic, unintelligent level?
On that note: What exactly are you fine gentlemen's credentials? Surely you must have some degree in political science or something to be harassing me about my age/education.
Maybe you didn't receive a proper education. Maybe you've just become wise with age?
"blog would probably be better qualified than me."
ReplyDeleteI won't be upset if you point out any others, but I haven't been pointing out simple typos, spelling errors, or obscure grammatical errors. I've only mentioned the blatant misuse of words or phrases.
There's already a debate on socialism on this very blog and the position put forward by the original post is "Socialism doesn't work 'cuz Glenn Beck says so. Seriously." So there's not a real debate to be had here. I just thought I'd point out a glaring error in the original text and ask why someone would want to be associated with racism. Every time I think the discussion is over GreatWhiteHope says something like: "...unless you are willfully choosing to portray yourself as an arrogant muttonhead then enough with your obfuscation of our intelligence on this blog", and I just can't help myself.
NO throwing snowballs with rocks in them boys. This is supposed to be fun
ReplyDeleteOh and Reed and Reed W., if you want to understand better the motivations and feelings of a capitalist please read Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. It is long and wordy, and I don't agree with her idea of love, but as for how a capitalist views the world and how it should be run , it is great. Plus to make it easy reading it is fictional, so less boring than a textbook.
ReplyDeleteMerry Christmas!!
I actually had been considering that just recently. Thanks for the suggestion CF. I probably will.
ReplyDeleteI am familiar with Ayn.
ReplyDeleteDid anyone even watch the video I posted? I stomached about 3 and a half minutes of the Kieth Loserman link someone posted.... Oh by the way Crayon Face, I'm having fun. I think I'm really striking a nerve with the Reeds. Two commies with the same name....interesting.
ReplyDeleteIf by "striking a nerve" you mean bothered me with your ignorance, then yes, yes you have.
ReplyDeleteI watched your video.
Also, calling me a communist is entirely inaccurate. Communism=politics+ecnomics. Socialism=economics only.
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ReplyDeleteWell if ignorance is what you want to call it, fine. I would rather be called ignorant by a liberal and have him feel bothered - that's actually what I was going for because for 4 years at the university I was bothered by ignorant liberals and I will spend the rest of my life seeking to bother them with true principles - hard work, self reliance, perseverance, and integrity to name a few. You are spoiled, you had the opportunity to grow up in a home with the gospel in the United States a choice land, even the promised land. And you want to chuck it away, so it is my mission to point out your folly.
ReplyDeleteYour mission, as far as your belief system would say, is to love all of mankind, spread kindness and the gospel, and live as Christ.
ReplyDeleteWould Christ seek to bother others because others bothered him (AKA Revenge)? Would Christ mock others? Would Christ judge others, if he knew little to nothing about their lives/upbringing/backgrounds? Would Christ judge someone based on their political beliefs?
Are you doing what Christ would do?
What the religion you think you hold dearly says you should do?
It doesn't appear that you are.
Reed Winters, RE: Communism=politics+ecnomics. Socialism=economics only.
ReplyDeleteThis is a completely inaccurate statement. Socialism requires the government to re-dsitribute the wealth of the economy, to control commerce through regulations, and to distribute the services that are otherwise the responsibility of business - ie health care. Socialism has EVERYTHING to do with government and politics.
I would be very interested how you can disassociate socialism with politics and claim that socialism is strictly a matter of economics.
There's about three million website that'll do it for me. A simple Google search will take care of it. Sorry, I'm feeling a bit lazy:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.marxmail.org/faq/socialism_and_communism.htm
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-socialism-and-communism.htm
http://www.romm.org/soc_com.html
Here's the first three. Socialism and Communism have their similarities. They are both Marxist theories, after all. And communism sort of evolved out of socialism. A good half an hour wikipedia-ing both socialism and communism would probably help answer that too.
Would you deny it? Would you claim socialism and communism are the same thing?
I mean, our economy is directly tied to government, so anything that deals with our economy would also deal somewhat with government. But socialism is not a political theory.
In communism, infrastructure and property are shared. Owned collectively.
ReplyDeleteIn socialism, infrastructure is owned collectively and is used primarily to ensure the use and equitable distribution of goods and services to all. Property can be owned privately.
In short.
Socialism is as much a politcal theory as Communism is. Like I said, Socialism is merely Communism-lite. It's got all the same trimmings just watered down a bit. And as far as Christ-like attributes, I'm not claiming to be anywhere near to where I should be. What I do have is a testimony that he is Christ and that I do have an ideal to strive for. I'm far from it and especially when I get perterbed by libs, but when I say bother liberals I mean point out where they are wrong, which is often. You want to force people into charity and use force to alleviate suffering in the name of Christianity. This is anything but, in fact it's the exact opposite. So yes, I will fight anyone verbally who wants to tear down this nation and restructure it after failed systems.
ReplyDelete"Well if ignorance is what you want to call it, fine. I would rather be called ignorant by a liberal and have him feel bothered - that's actually what I was going for because for 4 years at the university I was bothered by ignorant liberals and I will spend the rest of my life seeking to bother them with true principles - hard work, self reliance, perseverance, and integrity to name a few. You are spoiled, you had the opportunity to grow up in a home with the gospel in the United States a choice land, even the promised land. And you want to chuck it away, so it is my mission to point out your folly."
ReplyDeleteTake this entire thing back, and replace it with "I feel capitalism is better, and I will do my best to present a logical argument why."
Because if you strive to be like Christ, then everything in that original comment is a mistake. Yes, you're imperfect, but now I'm calling you out on it. The mistakes been made, now repent. Tell me you are sorry. Tell me I am one of God's children, just like you, and that God loves me. Tell me that you believe capitalism is better, but that you don't think any less of me for disagreeing, because God loves me just as much as he loves you.
You see, I don't necessarily subscribe to your beliefs. So no, I don't do anything in the name of Christianity. I do things in my own name. I don't abhor rape, murder, genocide, etc. because Christ does, I abhor them because I do.
Now, let's hear you repent for being rude and attempting to degrade me. C'mon, let's hear it! God loves me as much as you, right!? Where's the humility?
I should also mention that I'm very aware that it's terrible to start bringing up your religion, especia
ReplyDeletelly when I don't necessarily believe in it myself.
It's unfair. Completely. But it's sort of, well, how it works. It's easy to argue with a christian when you can just reply "What would Jesus do?" to everything. XD
Well, Reed, part of repentence is a change of heart and I simply am not Christlike enough to have that. I think you're pompous, ignorant, and annoying and I don't feel apologetic about it. If I did, I probably wouldn't have made those statements in the first place. How 'bout you grow up and we continue the debate about how you are wrong, and capitalism is right?
ReplyDeleteP.S. I thought you don't believe in God so what difference would it make if I told you he loved you? You just said you believe in yourself, why do you need affirmation from someone else even in the "bloggernacle" to affirm to you your standing with a being you don't believe in. There's no atheists in war my friend, and there will come a point when everyone will admit that God is the Father and Christ is His son.
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ReplyDeleteAtta Christian.
ReplyDelete"I'm not perfect, so if I don't repent it's okay."
So basically you can do whatever you want, and you don't have to repent simply because you are not Christ-like enough? How admirable of you to, you know, try your best.
I'm done commenting at this blog =) You'll be interested to know that the gentleman over at Dissenting in Part just made a new blog about. . . you.
From an unintelligent, "commie," under-educated, arrogant, immature, "pompous, ignorant, and annoying" degenerate, with love.
Reed Winters.
You mean "There's no atheists in foxholes."
ReplyDeleteThe end.
I'm not going to lie Reed, you let me down. You said you made a blog about me, but it appeared to be simply a post about M. Galt's post with 1 tiny little comment about myself in there. Disappointing....
ReplyDeleteI read the wise geek link Reed Winters and I think that this is hardly a source I will consider credible. This statement, "Socialists, however, see capitalism as a possible part of the ideal state and believe that socialism can exist in a capitalist society."
ReplyDeleteIf this is true, then as a socialist your fight against capitalism is a fight against yourself. This statement goes to show that socialism is such a confused and mixed up idea that it really has no true definition anymore. But socialism can't be capitalistic, they are at odds. They cannot coexist to any degree of success. So to think that socialism embraces capitalism is an impossible theory. They are opposites.
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ReplyDeleteDecember 13, 2009:
ReplyDelete"It would seem that socialism is treated by many to be the opposite of capitalism. I don't consider this to be true..."
December 18, 2009:
"They are opposites."
James, you disappoint me. When you do things like that it seems like your position isn't one of reasoned objection, instead it seems like you're just reacting thoughtlessly to things other people say.
Amateur Reed. Actually, it's as immature as it is amateur. When are you going to present some actual ideas and thoughts on here? I take it you have no ideas because you just attack people and never present any alternative thoughts. Go bug a different blog.
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ReplyDeleteSeems I hit a nerve with the spoiled rich entitled children on being the grammar police. I think in actuality my pointing out their self appointed world police status is what may have hit the nerve. I think like most “socialists” or commies what really hit the nerve is the fact that your entitlement was pointed out. See I know that you two have to come from money because now you’re seeking ways to be important to the world with the educations your parents worked hard to provide for you. In the BOM they call it the pride cycle; in our world we call it spoiled rich boys trying to change the world through thinking the opposite of their parents because they are too scared to work as hard as their parents to earn what they did. So you set out to justify your existence in the world by championing retarded political cases that you have no real idea about. I tried to be cool about your stuck up cake eating attitude but it seems like most spoiled rich boys you don’t respond to normal nice corrections in your attitude. So here goes…
Reed you are completely uninformed, your comment “Communism=politics+ecnomics. Socialism=economics only” is so wrong on so many levels I just can’t even start. James stated the obvious; socialism’s a political theory because it takes a government to enact socialist theory’s thereby making it a political as well as economic theory. Reed you can’t even explain what the crap GDP is and now you clearly lack basic knowledge on what you claim is your political philosophy but you can’t even tell that it would take political action to make it work.
Further more by being a supporter of an “economics only” philosophy you haven’t even demonstrated a basic knowledge of economics. As stated above you don’t even know what GDP is and post faulty links to web pages that have the facts about world wide GDP wrong. Again I get it, your trying to be different then everyone else in Utah. It probably started in high school where you tried finding bands that no one else listened to thinking if you listened to cooler music then everyone else then you where special. Sadly you found that eventually everyone listened to the same music so you had to find something different to set you apart from all the other Mormon lemmings you live around. The thing you don’t realize is that as much as you see everyone else as sell outs or lemmings you are the very same, socialism = control of personal freedom, if you want to fight for something truly different then republicans, democrats and socialism just think personal liberty.
Reed,
ReplyDeleteYou don’t disappoint me at all as you say James disappoints you. You’re completely predictable. You nit pick silly things because you seem to lack any actual ideas of your own. So when you get offended all you can fall back on is the nit picky stuff.
From what I can see that you don't have a blog of your own? I will extend to you the same invitation I do others. If you would like to post here on the blog show us what you are actually thinking and what you ideas are in the replies. If unlike your hommie Reed W. you are able to make some form of rational and or educated thought then you’re welcome to post on the main page.
Reed, I can see clearly how what I wrote could appear to be contradictory so let me clarify a little further. Capitalism and socialism are not opposites in the sense that black and white are opposites. Capitalism and communism to me are true opposites - polar opposites. Socialism is somewhere inbetween.
ReplyDeleteHowever, the idea of where they are opposite is in the sense that they cannot exist at the same time with any validity. They pull in opposite directions is probably a more correct description of my feelings not that they are direct opposites to each other.
Does that help?
Here's another example that I hope clarifies how I feel about the capitalism socialism thing:
ReplyDeleteThe Mormon church and the Catholic church are opposites in that they teach different doctrines, and both teach the idea that all other churches are wrong meaning they are different and opposing in that respect (by both faiths own accounts).
However, they are not opposites in the sense that the Mormon church is opposite to say atheism.
"See I know that you two have to come from money because now you’re seeking ways to be important to the world with the educations your parents worked hard to provide for you."
ReplyDeleteHaha, Winters and I happen to have the same parents so allow me to inform you Winter's father is a menial laborer in a power plant. His parents have given him a grand total of $0 for his education, he's on a scholarship and living off the money he saved working at Taco Time and donating plasma.
"You nit pick silly things because you seem to lack any actual ideas of your own."
Saying that socialism and capitalism are opposites and then later saying that they are is not, is not a nit picky thing. It's a contradiction that displays a clear lack of thoughtful analysis.
My "actual ideas" can be found in the discussion beneath "What's wrong with Capitalism?" I see no reason to post them here as well.
"The Mormon church and the Catholic church are opposites in that they teach different doctrines, and both teach the idea that all other churches are wrong meaning they are different and opposing in that respect (by both faiths own accounts).
However, they are not opposites in the sense that the Mormon church is opposite to say atheism."
You're not clarifying anything here. I can state unequivocally that atheism and Mormomism are not "opposites". Few ideologies, creeds, or schools of thought can be accurately described as opposites. Sci-Fi protagonists have opposites, numbers have opposites, and colors have opposites, but describing socialism and capitalism, atheism and Mormonism, or communism and capitalism as opposites distracts from the real questions at hand and achieves nothing.
"...they cannot exist at the same time with any validity"
You're wrong, no successful scheme of government exists in an ideological vacuum.
I was merely trying to give an example that something can be a clear and polar opposite. Meaning black and white. Then ere are things that oppose each other in certain ways but are not truly stark opposites.
ReplyDeleteI am sorry that you are unable to see how a religion that believes in God and possesses all necessary truth for exaltation is in opposition to people who deny the existence of deity and therefore any after life. If you are unable to see them as opposites then I have nothing left to say or defend as rational thought seems to be lost at this point.
“Menial laborer at a power plant” right…again with the typical socialist bull crap. When you get called on being a rich kid go back to a “my dad was a this that or other.” By stating your dad worked in a power plant #1 doesn’t give you street cred and #2 is most likely a falsification because you got pegged. Every socialist has his “coming from the people to save the people” story that’s generally a fabrication. But in that same spirit I’m like 300 years old and wrestle bears in my spare time. See that’s the nice thing about the internet, we can make up whatever fancy story we want. I mean really, are we to believe the kid who made up beliefs for one of the worlds greatest libertarian thinkers and then backed it up with Wiki? I like that like your brother when you get called out on facts like defining what GDP is you just go back to old dead points that you think you have a corner on, like being the grammar police
ReplyDeleteReed face it, once you get passed grammatical correction you have nothing because you know nothing. When people offer you an olive branch or reasoned answer you react like the spoiled child you are, because you’re a rich kid. Embrace it, you and your brother(?) come from money, stop fighting mommy and daddy and realize maybe they had some good points they learned through experience.
Reed - "Saying that socialism and capitalism are opposites and then later saying that they are is not"
ReplyDeleteThey are is not? Hmmmmm....What were you saying about English grammar again? Maybe you can use this on your blog as a case in point -
Reed, " colors have opposites"
What's the opposite of orange?
I happen to agree with M Galt about being 300 yrs. old and wrestling bears, nice one Galt.
Liberals being emotional as they are, are unaccustomed to truth and substitute reality with personal fabrications because they enjoy living in their utopian surreality. I thrive on truth, I live my life unapologetically with no story to cover up for my mistakes. I am who I am and I'd rather live with the comfort of knowing I live in reality than something else as a liberal does.
Reed please come back and make up more stuff for us that famous people haven't said. I'm so interested in ideas you may attribute to people, heck you can use wiki to make a page with them saying these wild things. We could say that Obama lives with aliens, or G.W Bush keeps genetically altered killer dogs with wings around his house. the possibilities for your fertile imagination are endless. Your in the perfect position to do this as well, you can keep sucking the hind tit of your parents prosperity while it happens where as the rest of us actually have to work for a living.
ReplyDeleteand yes if you had a deeper understanding of your religion you would understand that it does indeed has its opposite. This is a political discussion though and not a doctrinal one.
"I am sorry that you are unable to see how a religion that believes in God and possesses all necessary truth for exaltation is in opposition to people who deny the existence of deity and therefore any after life."
ReplyDeleteThey are opposing in regards to that one characteristic, but would I be wrong in saying that Mormonism entails far more that just a belief in God? That's the point, by declaring these two disparate ideas opposites, you've stripped at least one of them of most of it's characteristics. Saying that Mormonism is the opposite of atheism tells you nothing of how mormons feel about anything except the existence of god.
"most likely a falsification because you got pegged."
Haha, do I need to ask my dad to pose for a photograph wearing his Intermountain Power hard hat holding a sign that says "M. Galt is paranoid?" I suppose that wouldn't prove that he's not an energy tycoon who owns shares in the company. I'm not going to strain myself proving that I'm not rich, what an extraordinary claim!
You pegged me alright, you can call me Daddy Warbucks.
"...when you get called out on facts like defining what GDP is you just go back to old dead points that you think you have a corner on, like being the grammar police"
No one asked me to define the GDP, that's hardly a difficult task, it's pretty clearly defined.
GDP - Gross Domestic Product
Gross Domestic Product - the gross national product excluding the value of net income earned abroad.
Do you need me to define 'gross' or 'product' for you?
"Saying that socialism and capitalism are opposites and then later saying that they are not, is not a nit picky thing."
Thanks, I appreciate the opportunity to clarify what I was trying to say. This sentence still seems a little choppy...
"What's the opposite of orange?"
That's hardly the point here, but if you must know, it's blue. Colors exist in a spectrum, which means they have opposites, just like numbers. Compare the Hex color codes for a shade of orange: FF3300 with the code for a shade of blue: 0033FF.
"I am who I am and I'd rather live with the comfort of knowing I live in reality than something else as a liberal does."
Bwahaha, if you guys want to picture me as the son of a billionaire, blindly crusading for a socialist utopia, rather than the son of control room operator, I won't stop you.
I use Bwahaha now, because I no longer have to hide the fact that I'm filthy rich.
If I was a goddamn rich kid, from rich parents, given everything I want, with an abundance of wealth in my future, then why the hell would that be what made me embrace socialism?
ReplyDeleteIf I was dirt poor, socialism would give me money. Dirt poor people love socialism.
If I was filthy rich, socialism would take my money, and give it to the dirt poor. Why the hell would being rich make me want to be a socialist, unless I truly believed in giving my money to the ill-fortuned?
I grew up in the middle class. We weren't in poverty, and I wasn't rolling around in a convertible on my 16th birthday. I had food every day, but I didn't get any help from my parents to enroll in college.
If you feel I'm lying, so be it.
You keep saying over and over and over again that Reed (and I?) just keep attacking the person, and "nit picky" things, when you keep doing it your goddamn self! Can you not see that!?
The opposite of orange is blue, what the hell do you even mean by asking that!?
"Reed face it, once you get passed grammatical correction you have nothing because you know nothing."
He keeps giving you logical fucking arguments over and over and over, from various posts, and you keep calling him a spoiled rich kid, addressing simple typos, claiming all he cares about is grammar (something he brought up once, because it's too hard to fucking understand you), and on and on!
How can you not see how contradictory that is!?
M. Galt, you're attacking my goddamn subversive personality now? Like its all the fault of my desire to be different?
"M. Galt, you were probably born to redneck parents who taught you that Jesus was our Lord and savior, and George Bush was right beneath him. You probably go hunting each year, and get a thrill out of killing living animals. Or maybe your parents beat you. Or maybe you learned to be selfish from your step-father, who got drunk each night and beat your mother."
Do you see how fucking illogical it is for me to try and use that as an argument!?
Socialism and Capitalism are not opposites! What the hell is socialism anyway!? Our welfare program is socialism. Our public schools are socialism. Our public roads are socialism. Our military is socialism. The Postal Service is socialism. Medcare and Medicaid are socialism. SCHIP is socialism. There's a million socialist things in America right now. America is a capitalist country, with about a million different forms of socialism.
The two clearly can work together!
It's called Social Democracy. There's a name for it and everything. Look it up on Goddamn Wikipedia, or somewhere that you find credible.
Alright, now I'm really done posting on this blog. I'm guessing after all this profanity you won't let me post anymore anyway ;)
Infantile, profanity is an expression of an uneducated mind. So let me get this straight - you're implying our current system is functioning correctly?
ReplyDelete"you're implying our current system is functioning correctly?"
ReplyDeleteI think he really left, but I have something to say on that matter.
It's less than ideal, but better than a hole in the head.
Terms like "functioning correctly" can't be used to describe systems as complex as a national government or economy. Since no total consensus can be reached concerning what our government's function should be, it's impossible to declare it to be functioning or malfunctioning in general terms, you have to refer to a specific characteristic or goal.
Reed W,
ReplyDeleteThat is too great, so mad that you resort to cursing on a Mormon political blog. The fact that you have to resort to that type of speech tells me I win and that everything I said was right on, see what you said was wrong so I just see it as funny. I believe the saying goes "the truth hurts". Thank you for your ecknodlgment, I knew sooner then later you would run out of socialist talking point and start with the cursing. And no your points wont be deleted and your not bared from this blog, you serve as a great example of what young socialist know.....nothing.
Thanks for playing.
"The fact that you have to resort to that type of speech tells me I win"
ReplyDeleteChildish. Successfully angering the opposition is not difficult or meaningful.
You all are acting like children. Move on- please
ReplyDeleteSuccessful Angering? I don't think anyone set out to anger anyone, we were merely having a lively debate. If you can't take the heat don't stand by the fire. I think he got angry because deep down inside is spoiled rich kid heart he knows he's wrong and that's upsetting because he doesn't want to be like all the other mormon kids in Orem. Sucks to not feel special...... But at least he can know the truth, even if he doesn't accept it yet.
ReplyDeleteReed, "Successfully angering the opposition is not difficult or meaningful."
ReplyDeleteI have another thing to say on this - It is so typical of a socialist to claim that they were "successfully angered" and refuse to take personal responsibility for oneself. You always have to deflect responsibility on someone or something else be it an individual or society. That's why you believe in government control of society because you can't even manage yourself.
GWH, if you think for a second that the way you have been "debating" has been innocent of any antagonistic or contentious behavior then you are seriously disillusioned. The fact that you can't be the bigger man and walk away demonstrates that.
ReplyDeleteYou have been as equally insulting as they have been. So they disagree with you - get over it. Move on already!
But James I win. Maybe you did'nt see that.
ReplyDeleteReed, winning a debate is fun, maybe if it happened for you now and again you would see that. And yes when an opponent has no ammunition left but to curse and act like a spoiled child then yes, the other person clearly wins. Don't feel bad, I beat James all the time.
You're right. GreatWhiteHope? M. Galt? You're both champions.
ReplyDelete"Don't feel bad, I beat James all the time."
ReplyDeleteI doubt that.
There really wasn't much of a debate here, but looking back over the posts, James was the only one debating.
I've spent most of the discussion mocking GreatWhiteHope, you and GreatWhiteHope have spent the whole time accusing me of being rich, gay, and overly concerned with grammar without ever making any attempts at actual debate, and Winters... well, he doesn't see the humor.
Glad to see your back there Reed W. Wouldn't want to think you ran away for ever.
ReplyDeleteReed, Trust me the joke goes on from this side as well.